The Book of Thrustmaster: Windows Vista and XP Edition

Submitted by Warren on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 4:43pm.

Do you own (or are you thinking of buying) old Thrustmaster flight controls, but are wondering how to use them with Windows XP or Windows Vista? Have you been told that they're old pieces of junk that don't work with today's operating systems, but you don't quite believe it?

If so, then you've come to the right place. 

Here you'll find lots of information and resources to get your old Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS, F-22 Pro, WCS Mk II, and F-16 TQS (along with your rudder pedals), working with Windows XP and Windows Vista. Though this is a work in progress, you should be able to find some useful things here immediately.

Needless to say, you can indeed use any of these previously mentioned joysticks and throttles with your modern computer, and use them in pretty much any flightsim in Windows. Don't let anyone tell you anything else

There are several hurdles you'll need to overcome, but none of them is that high. Some are hardware hurdles. Some are software hurdles. Some are procedural and knowledge hurdles.

Fortunately, all the software and knowledge you need is freely downloadable on the Internet, plus I'm providing some knowledge (and some downloadable files, where appropriate or necessary) too. You probably already have the required hardware, and even if you don't, odds are it's cheaper than buying a new stick and supporting hardware.

 

Note: The BOT (Book of Thrustmaster) does not cover how to write programs for your Thrustmaster equipment. I'll point you to tools that make this easier in Windows, and just plain possible in DOS, and I'll even point you to documentation and tutorials that tell you how to write it, but I won't be teaching you the programming "language" or answering questions about it. I'm just too busy with other stuff, and this information is widely available online elsewhere. Sorry.

No, a modern USB-powered joystick is definitely an easier way to go, but in my humble experience, most modern USB sticks feel like cheap plastic toys (I'm looking at you, Saitek, CH Products, and Logitech), even if some of them work okay. And the only professional-grade alternative stuff is horrendously expensive, and so trouble-prone (even right out of the box) that you need to replace many of internal components with horrendously expensive upgraded components (I'm looking at you, Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS). The old Thrustmaster stuff is a decent alternative option.

 

So, with that all said, welcome to The Book Of Thrustmaster: Windows Vista and XP Edition. Please start with one of the following links. 

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Digital Stickworks F22/TQS on Vista32...SUCCESS!!

#8756 On Sat, 01/03/2009 6:21pm Anonymous said,

I installed a game port according to the instuctions on this web site
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&message.id=13336
I installed the Stickworks 103 drivers exactly like I did on XP..ignoring the Vista warnings.
I went to gameport controllers in control panel and was able to select the Stickworks SWF22 in the controller panel.
I wans able to calibrate the stick and throttle within this app also.
All the axis work and all the buttons work.
This is awesome...I thought my Digital F22/TQS were going to be history....but thanks Daniel Kawakami from the above website for putting together the gameport pack for vista.

Thrustmaster F-22 PRO

#8610 On Wed, 09/17/2008 8:09am Anonymous said,

I bought a Thrustmaster F-22 PRO. It has two connectors, one looks like a PS-2 (round connector) and another 15-pin serial. I also bought an adapter to go from the 15 pin to USB. And I have plenty of USB ports on my PC. So .. I want to know if I have the right hardware .. and I want to know if I can find driver software to run under my Winodws XP OS. I want to develop my own program to use the the hand controller. Will I be able to do this and if so where would I find the right driver? Anything else I need to know? THX

Thrustmaster F-22 PRO

#8691 On Fri, 11/14/2008 6:35am Anonymous said,

I have the exact situation as you and I can't find enough information to make this work. I keep getting a "device detection error" when I try to start the HOTAS Cougar Control panel software. Let me know if you ever figure it out.

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Thx

Thrustmaster F-22 PRO

#8690 On Fri, 11/14/2008 6:34am Anonymous said,

I have the exact situation as you and I can't find enough information to make this work. I keep getting a "device detection error" when I try to start the HOTAS Cougar Control panel software. Let me know if you ever figure it out. Thx

What about the Digital Mod?

#6207 On Sat, 02/10/2007 7:04am Anonymous said,

Do you know of a Joystick port to USB adapter that works with Bob Church's digital Mod. I noticed that that section of your book is blank. I don't need to get too creative with this. It would be nice if there was somewhere an adapter that would simply allow me to connect my digial F22 / TQS to my new Vista machine.

Dear Reader,

#6210 On Sat, 02/17/2007 4:31pm Warren said,

Dear Reader,

Warren here. Bob Church has been quoted as saying that none of of the USB converters for gameports will work with his Stickworks chips. As I have been unable to acquire a set of Stickworks chips for myself (hint hint - just kidding), I can't test this out. But I'm going to assume that he has.

As to the empty book page - I've been working on three articles totally more than 7000 words this month, and so I'm a skosh busy at the moment. But I'm about ready to start adding more Thrustmaster content soon.

F-16 FLCS + WCS MkII + Rudder Pedals

#8033 On Fri, 10/12/2007 2:20pm ZeroTau said,

Warren,

With the possible exception of the Rudder Pedals, ( Thrustmasters own, of course ), You and I are running the exact same configuration, as I too am running Windows XP Pro. The only other possible difference, is that I've long since upgraded both the FLCS and WCS to Bob Church's digital upgrade, ALL of which worked absolutely splendidly under Windows 95 and Windows 2000 Pro, while using the F-22 emulation, which does not seem to be available under Windoze XP Pro ( intentional misspelling... ).

Since I still firmly believe that the Thrustmaster Controllers that both You and I own, are STILL, WITHOUT QUESTION, the ABSOLUTE FINEST game controllers available, anywhere, and at almost any price !!! Due to the wonderful design and 100% programmable buttons, I've won far too many contests in Falcon 4.x and other flight sims for these controllers to be anything but the best !!!

So, PLEASE... PLEASE... PLEASE... tell me that somone, somewhere, is working on a fix for this !!! As I read in another thread, can I return the controllers to their original ANALOG configuration and get them to work with WinXP Pro, even if it is in the slightly slower analog configuration ???

Please Advise...

Most Respectfully,

ZeroTau

ZeroTau,

#8226 On Mon, 11/12/2007 8:45am Warren said,

ZeroTau,

After reading the stickworks website, I believe the digital chips should work fine with XP and a standard gameport. There is a driver that is intended for XP that should work over at:
http://home.att.net/~stickworks/swdownld.html#SW2KV103

Also, you probably have a TQS throttle, since the stickworks chips were never made for the WCS Mk II throttle. I know because I asked Bob about it years ago and the answer was "no."

If you want, you could also put the old chips back in and return to analog mode for everything. You'll get the "jitters" back and lose some programming ability, but the hardware will still work fine.

Hope this helps,
Warr

Digital f22

#7528 On Mon, 07/30/2007 6:14pm Anonymous said,

Warren,

I just blew the dust off my F22 pro (with Bob Church digital upgrade), TQS and peddals and wanted to see if I could get them to work with my new Vista machine....and I found your page. Thanks for taking the time to put together this information.

Since the information is a few months old, I thought I would check back with you. Are there any joystick to USB converters that will work with my setup that you are aware of??

Maybe I can return my stick to it's original configuration?

Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks!

Scott

Vista Gameport driver available

#7529 On Tue, 07/31/2007 1:29am Anonymous said,

I stumbled into this page while looking for ways to get my Stickworks FLCS to work with Vista. Main problems were the availability of drivers (seen nothing yet) and the fact that Vista does not support a gameport any more. Since the stickworks upgrade makes it possible to use a FLCS of F22 as any digital controller in Windows, the gameport problem was the worst. The Stickworks FLCS does not work with a USB-Gameport converter, apparently.

However, I also stumbled into this page: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&message.id=13336
Hope this works (still need to test it) but thought I'd leave a message here. Good luck.

Vista gameport driver

#7555 On Fri, 08/03/2007 6:33pm Anonymous said,

AWESOME!! THank you, I will have to give that a try when I have a free moment.

I will post back again to let everyone know how it works.

Thanks again,

Scott

Vista and Stickworks FLCS

#7828 On Tue, 09/04/2007 12:04am Anonymous said,

I've been trying for 2 weeks to get my Stickworks FLCS and TQS working in Vista. I have installed the Creative gameport drivers, the stickworks W2000/XP joystick drivers and the stick shows as connected, I have been able to install (the Vista default) HID device drivers for the keyboard and mouse functionality but I still can't get it to work.

In the calibration screen the stick indicators stay rock solid in the centre, and no reaction to buttons being pressed. The Stickworks initialization screen shows up red, and I can't start the calibration routine because nothing happens when I press the trigger.

I hope someone else finds the solution, because I've given up and returned to XP. Sorry lads... :-(

I too stumble upon this page

#7876 On Sun, 09/23/2007 1:44pm Anonymous said,

I too stumble upon this page while searching for "SWF22 vista driver"...
From the looks of things, I probably have to stay with XP for a while, I just don't like all the new plastic toy controllers and the Cougar is way too problematic...come one Saitek, release a "professional" line please!

Vista + Stickworks = broken

#8227 On Mon, 11/12/2007 8:49am Warren said,

There still doesn't seem to be a solution for Stickworks joysticks and Vista, though I've been able to use the analog FLCS and throttle/pedals with Vista (and a gameport, of course) just fine.

Still, XP will be officially supported until 2014 AT LEAST, so my suggestion is to keep an XP partition on your comptuer for gaming. I personally don't plan on running Vista on my main box for many years...

-Warr

TQS THROTTLE MOUSE PROBLEM

#8236 On Sat, 11/24/2007 12:38pm Anonymous said,

Hi guys , I hope someone here can help . I have got my old FLCS and TQS out after many years , got most things working but cannot get the mouse on the TQS to work . I have lost the original serial to ps/2 adaptor lead , i purchased a rs232 to ps/2 but xp still wont recognise anything ????

Andy Bond

flcs and tqs

#8336 On Tue, 02/12/2008 11:43am Anonymous said,

Hi, I got my flcs working in Vista and falcon 4 allied force. But only the gun and missile button are working.
My TQS does not respond either. Is there something I can download or so to make it work or test so I can still use them in Vista ? you may email me at neomavve@hotmail.com

FLCS TQS Vista 64. Just FYI....

#8612 On Fri, 09/19/2008 3:17pm Anonymous said,

I bought a usb-gameport adapter from The Source and can get partial functionality from my FLCS/TQS/CH Pedals in Win Vista 64. All the axis' work great, but unfortunately the keyboard does not work when it's hooked up through the joysticks and through the adapter, and thus most of the buttons/switches don't work (trigger and a couple others work). The keyboard and the joystick buttons work outside of Vista (in the BIOS, or DOS environment, and probably any other OS).
So, at this point I just have to use the keyboard instead of the buttons on the FLCS/TQS.